Understanding Credit Score Differences

Understanding Credit Score Differences

There are few numbers in life that matter as much to your financial outlook and well-being as your credit score. However, confusion is the norm for consumers when it comes to this important financial gauge.

The History of Credit Scores

Prior to the creation of standardized credit scores, lenders and loan officers would often develop their own "score card" to assess the risk of lending to a particular borrower. This score card could vary drastically from one lender to the next. The major issue with this original method was that it was based on a loan officer's ability to judge risk, rather than a common set of rules and specific calculations.

So, in the 1980's, the Fair Isaac Corporation set up the first general purpose credit scoring system based on credit bureau information in order to help remove the inherent inconsistencies that arose from having each lender perform their own credit diagnostics. It has since become known as the FICO score and the algorithm has been widely adopted by America's largest credit reporting agencies.

Why would my score differ between credit agencies?

The three major credit bureaus are Equifax, Experian and TransUnion. Simply put, the reason that the scores you receive may differ is that each score is dependent on the credit report that each receives and the scoring model they use.

In other words, Equifax might have not exactly the same information on you as Experian and vice versa. One credit bureau may be missing an account that either helps or hinders your score and will therefore report a different credit score than another credit bureau. If the system was perfect, this wouldn't happen. But since it isn't, you want to make sure that they all have the proper information by checking your freeTransUnion and Equifax credit reports on Credit Karma and your Experian on www.AnnualCreditReport.com.

Why would my score differ between the same credit agency?

Credit bureaus use many different scoring models, even within the same credit bureau. Each bureau can use dozens of different credit score models based on the requirements of different lenders.

Each credit score model has a slightly different formula that takes into account some of the over 200 different factors of your credit report; like a thumbprint, no credit score model is exactly the same. In addition, credit scores can change anytime so you have to make sure you are comparing credit scores from the same day.

As an example, a mortgage company will get a different score than a company providing auto loans, since they are looking for different types of credit history and credit factors.

Other Available Scores

While FICO is the most famous, there are several other versions and providers of credit scores, such as VantageScore, NextGen, BEACON and EMPIRICA. Some scores are directly developed by credit bureaus, while others are developed by outside companies.

Is there a "best score"?

In a word, no. In order to protect revenues, credit reporting agencies will often position their scores as the best or the most predictive. In reality, all scores must adhere to similar guidelines to be truly predictive, regardless of the final output number. All credit scores are built from the same base set of data and statistical procedures.

Like many products and services in the marketplace, there are a plethora of different options for you (and the businesses that serve you) to choose from, simply because every buyer is different. Based on cost and effectiveness in each buying situation, there are credit scores for sale to satisfy each customer.

Score Ranges

Just as a point of reference, it may be important for you to know what the score ranges are for each of the major scoring systems. The higher your score the better, as it is a general gauge of your overall creditworthiness in the eyes of lenders.

  • FICO Score: 300 -850
  • Score from Experian: 330-830
  • Score from Equifax: 300-850
  • Score from TransUnion: 300-850
  • VantageScore 3.0: 300-850

Bottom Line

Because there are hundreds of credit scores that measure many different probabilities, consumers generally do not need to be overly concerned with the type of score or even their number. It's also important to note that your credit score is a variable which can change every time your credit report changes. For these reasons, monitoring changes within a single score over time can be a better way to gauge your overall credit health.

These complicated facets of credit scores are exactly why we developed Credit Karma. By keeping the bureau and credit scoring model consistent, we are hoping to provide consumers with a single, easier-to-follow point of reference on their credit health. Best of all, it's always free to check your credit score with us. In this way, you can access your score as often as you want and always have a consistent baseline to better understand how your score is changing.

Disclaimer: All information posted to this site was accurate at the time of its initial publication. Efforts have been made to keep the content up to date and accurate. However, Credit Karma does not make any guarantees about the accuracy or completeness of the information provided. For complete details of any products mentioned, visit bank or issuer website.

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The thing that baffles me is that this is a free service that is intended to help you make better credit decisions. People are complaining it doesn't have all 3 scores, that it isnt 100% accurate etc... people ITS FREE! What other site is free and lets you update your score everyday and alerts you to inquiries etc? If you want accuracy pay for a service..even then your score could change in a minute!

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Also what I have found out is that this free site is generated off the Transunion report and that is usually the lowest of the three score agencies so if you have a good score here then you can be sure that you are doing okay.  And again it is free. 

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Try credit sesame. They are free and accurate. I just got a new car and they ran my credit and it compared exactly with credit sesame. Credit karma was wayyyyyy off.

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Free that is not accurate is no help

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Yes, your score can change quickly and have a wide range when all three agencies are compared. However when the difference between Credit Karma and the reporting agency is -30+ points, that is not a change, that is a substantial difference.

Here is my 2 experience, that baffled me Friday, 3/13/2014.

The FICO score is the most important info when attempting to refi mortgage, auto loan and so forth.  I  am attempting to refi my mortgage,  and the bank I am working with specifically uses only one of the credit bureau reporting agencies. I signed on to Credit Karma and my score was a number that was acceptable to the bank .I immediately contacted the bank and the application process was started. When the bank official checked my score, the real time number that was pulled up directly from the reporting agency was 30+ points lower that the score that was shown on Credit Karma. Granted, Credit Karma indicated that numbers are update every three days. So yes my score could have decreased and I would inquiry as to why, but -30 points higher that the  score indicated by Credit Karma? Couldn't happen, unless there was some untoward activity on my account. 

I believe this to be the credit bureau not releasing correct fico to Credit Karma, simply because they would no longer be able to demand money from anyone wanting their fico score at any other time than the mandatory reporting period of once per year.

I appreciate that Credit Karma offers this free access to my credit reports, but without the correct fico score,  all I can do is read my credit report(s) and if I find a discrepancy, I can call the reporting credit agency.  In their advertising, as seen on several TV commercials and on the net,  Credit Karma should state “ free inaccurate  credit score” or what we think is your credit score.” Not prop your feet up on the desk in bank officials office . I would be embarassed when the banker official giggled and then laughed me out of his office.

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What I find most helpful about Credit Karma is the access to information.  Personally, I don't find their Vantage Scores that helpful, to be honest.  But until credit rating is standardized across the board, all the financial institutions who offer financial credit-worthiness products will be vying to be "the" go-to score provider.  Obviously Credit Karma is supported by the Vantage consortium who hopes to become that across-the-board "gold standard."  SInce they represent three major providers, that's probably not a bad strategy.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.  It's free.  It's got some good information on the site besides credit scores if you're willing to use it.

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dinahleigh

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Enter Your Reply Agree 

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Kenburden

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Enter Your Replying just want some easy system to correct errors.  I've been trying to make a correct for two years with no success and it a truly an error.  Hopeless credit system.

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Kenburden

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Enter Your The entire credit system is fake.  They are just making opportunity to create commerce.  So useless.

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Kingja55

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Nothing is free my friend. Ck makes their money by selling your info to creditors. You may notice an influx of calls or letters from debts from 10 or more years ago shortly after joining. No big deal really, but I would hate for people to go around thinking ck is a group of humanitarians just trying to provide folks with a free service.

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You idiot

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Unreal!!! I purchase my credit reports every other month. Since the last reports were pulled there have been no changes except the on-time payments, and my score still drops 14 points. I had three different people look at them. The F'in' reports are identical!!!! 

I think it's time to petetion congress for changes:

1.  Consumers should be able to get thier indididual credit scores and reports at least monthly at no charge.

2.  There needs to be more costly punative damages for credit reporting agencies, and creditors for not correcting, or producing complete documentation which substantiates their claim(s). (in a lot of cases, creditors/collection agencies have no obligation to verify the information they report unless the request comes from the credit bureau. And, then the creditor only has to send a confirmation to credit bureau that the debt exists.(no proof, just confirmation).

3.  When an individual's credit score negatively changes, the credit bureau should have to explain how/why the credit score changed.

It's my beleif that these 3 changes will do more to benefit consumers than any adverse effect it may have on creditors or credit bureaus. I look forward to hearing you thoughts.

3. 

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Until when and if people will take the time to call their congresspersons and be very assertive, nothing will change because the hands that hold the money are in their pockets so it is up to us!!!

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Petitioning Congress to do something.  With all due respect I have seen them do absolutely nothing for so long.  They are a joke.  If it would do any good I would gladly sign on and do it. 

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Petetion congress?????  Really?????  Then we could all complain that our Government interfers too much in our daily lives.   Stop and Think, Folks!!

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ESPECIALLY SINCE OUR INFORMATION IS BEING "HACKED" BY PLACES OF BUSINESS THAT STOCK ESSENTIALS FOR US TO LIVE .. i.e., TARGET. It's not like we could be more careful who we trust with our hard earned money. It is a unfair practice to hold our livelyhood attached to a number that we have no control over. Companies including debt collectors have very little regulations when reporting payments. I have 3 mistakes that need to be corrected so I must take time out of my busy schedule to dispute the reports. This shouldn't be taken lightly when hard working families apply for a mortgage and get screwed over by higher interest rates that can potentially affect them throughout a 30 year timespan. Having to pay $150 extra a month because a shady small print contract that required a written letter to cancel a membership wasn't brought to our attention when the final payment was made after the annual timeframe!

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As long as Congress operates on the "Money in my Pocket First" princpal, NOTHING will get done.

I am sorry to say that this what I see, Congress has sold itself to the highest bidder, and the hell with the people who voted for them. This is no longer the country that I swore an oath to defend, the country that I grew up in, the country that I was so proud of.

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Enter Your Reply  When I saw my credit scores from Credit Karma and it was so unreal because it was so different points.  My score dropped and I was appalled.  I had almost to 700 and now the new one is about 60 points less than I had previously.  I pay my bills right on dot.  Never miss it.  Now something is fishy on this one.

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Enter Your ReplyAmen

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People, Credit Karma is just a tool for you to use. Believe in it or not, it helps you to understand your credit rating and scoring. But don't live by it. It is only a tool, a reference point. The idea is for you to better manage your personal lives and finances. Don't get wrap around the numbers or the points. A few points won't make a difference in you lives. But a denial of credit may affect them. So thank Credit Karma for this site. Use it only as A TOOL! to your advantage in this crazy world.

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Well said it is just that a tool, and it's free and worth what they offer. 

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Credit Karma provides hundreds of helpful information articles that the others don't! If you actually read and analyze what you see on the C K site, it's amazing! The numbers are just a simple guide and if read completely and you don't just look at the number you're not getting the benefit of what they are trying to do..... and for free! I fully agree with EatKimchi!

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GOOD ADVICE.

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Credit Karma does state that the credit scores may be different between agencies, but no where does the site state that the scores that are posted on the site may be drastically  different than the actual real time credit score mainted by the respective bureaus.

My recent experience

  I accessed Credit Karma and obtained the credit scores for the three agencies. I went to my local bank and sat down with  a bank officer, gave my credit score for the specific agency he requested andf we proceeded to complete a line of credit application, the number he received was 30 points LESS that the Credit Karma score.    I can understand a 3-8 point difference between the reporting agency and Credit Karma, but not 30 can be a tool of embarassment. TV ads show individuals going into banks, etc and demanding perks using their Credit Karma score(s). Credit Karma should advertise like the cell phone companies, with small print on the bottom of the TV screen "Possibly your current scores(s) , but verify with the reporting  before making any financial decision ".

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I would much rather karma (not the good kind) showed me a number that was lower than true than have dealership show me a fifty €\*}<~€\ points lower report.  

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Enter Your ReplyEatkimchi you are right Credit Karma is great. Very helpful and I
I try to check it at least two times a month sometimes more. and I'm very comfortable with them

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I echo that statement: WELL SAID!

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So a "Tool" that's off by 25-50% is a "Reference Point"?? Sorry, that is NOT how TOOLS work... Yeah, credit karma is free and you get what you pay for and usually, 99% of the time, "Free" is Junk... If it walks like a duck etc... credit karma is Junk...

"A few points won't make a difference in you lives. But a denial of credit may affect them"... Seriously?? A few points WILL get you denied, doofus, you contradicted yourself in four words

BTW, eatkimchi, how much do you get paid to post like this... I want a job doing this, (blowing smoke), to supplant my income!!

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transunion is so far behind time. i paid my auto loan off long ago. they say i still owe it! but let me be 8 seconds behind paying a credit card off.............. and it is all over their site. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!

THEY SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS!

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Businesses do not always report to all 3 agencies. It is not Transunion fault. Your loan company does not report to them

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Blame the fiance company who you financed the car through. Transunion can only report on what they receive. I had and stil have this issue with Amerifirst home improvement loan. They stopped reporting my payments to Transunion in Jan, 2014 because of they say a new reporting vendor they hired and software changes. June of 2014 still no reporting of payments. I filed a dispute with Transunion against Amerifirst and my balance was update within 24 hours. I just paid this loan off Nov !st still showing a balance if it's not corrected by the 15th of Nov. I'll filed another dispute with Transunion and have it corrected. So before you lay blame make sure you know who's to blame.

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You can dispute it on the Transunion website so they will change that. These agencies handle millions of accounts. It's up to us to keep up with our own credit reports.  Disputing wrong information is one way to do that. 

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Credit Karmas Transunion score for me has been the same when I pulled a Transunion report. I also have Life Lock which provides all three scores using Transunion as the main one. I have found them and Credit Karma consistent in their reports. As I understand the Credit card companies and others report your debt on the first of each month. That is why I pay my cards down before then and see my score rise. By taking your total credit card combined and adding them you then can divide that by your total credit limits. Example: One card has $5000 limit and another has $1500 limit which would give you $6500 total. Your debt on both cards are at $4500.

By taking $4500 divided by $6500 = 69% of your card usage. I think the credit agencies favor in a score best for those that are below 30%. Credit card have the worse effect on score. That could raise you back up about 10 points or more. I love Credit Karma and appreciate their services. I took up one of their offers on a Truck payment and lowered it from 6.9% to 2.98% which is saving me a bundle. Life insurance was the same. That offer some great services considering there was nothing back in the 70s or even 90s that could help some one moniter their credit.

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I see you use LifeLock. Is this a good service and worth sepnding montly fees on?

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"Credit card have the worst effect on score". Correct and Incorrect.

Credit cards are basically needed to start your credit score at a good level. I knew people who didn't have credit cards. Their score was terrible. Banks denied loans.

I have 4 credit cards. My score is good because I have at least 2 with less than 30% debt and never make late mayments. I have small and large limits. I also have an active unsecured loan, with college debt.

Remember not to get into the trap of credit cards- spending too much and not paying it off. I ran into that situation (I was almost at my limits) when I graduated college. It took at least 6 months to slice my credit card debt back down and improve my score.

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How did you come up with $4500? That doesn't make sense to me?

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So my score was 794,  Then I sold my house and paid off the mortgage and also paid off a car loan and the score drops to 780.  This is such a scam and a joke to the American consumer who is fiscally conservative.  Shouldn't paying off loans increase your score? 

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The reason why is because you closed two accounts so quickly.  having those acconts open and making monthly payments is what increases your score.  I know it doesn't make a bunch of sense, but I guess the way they see it is something like this: Well, maybe the person just came up on a bunch of money, and tried to pay off as much as they could." I guess they think it shows lack of responsibility.  Stupid, I know.

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When an account such as a auto loan or mortgage is paid off, the account is then closed. While the account was open, you had a limit and open balance. For example, if you had a $30k auto loan, and a had only a few payments left, you are utilizing less than 10% which will give you a higher score. Once the loan is paid, it is closed and your available credit decreases...hence the lower score. However, this is temporary and your score will increase again over time.

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I heard ya ... I've paid off two mortagages and haven't carry a car loan ... the more liquid I become the worse the score.... I always pay 100%of my credit cards monthly and that doesn't seem to help....

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Exactly why you should think in terms of WEALTH, not credit score.

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Enter Your Repl          Dont feel bad Its all a shame , I went to try and get some furnitue , and was denied with a 645 score and a good job.And one car. my wife works part time with a 620 score and [2] cars in her name and was approved for 3400.00 plus 2 days later my score went down 45 points REALLY ....

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Yep. The credit score doesn't have anything to do with you personally, rather, think of it as a measure of how profitable you are to the debt slave establishment. Banks don't really want to deal with fiscally conservative people like yourself because they miss out on overdraft fees and monthly running CC balances that really rack up the interest, etc.

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you would think it does but it dosen't because now your revolving credit is gone

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That DOES seem logical, doesnt it? All the credit agencies want is to see you pay off each payment on time and keep the balance of all credit cards one-third or below. It's like - if you were going to lend someone money, but not sure if they'll pay you back. So you find a place to see what a good history they have with paying people back. It's weird, but the credit card companies love to nickel-and-dime you with fees. Like a bank does. So if you paid off your car they can't charge you interest on the loan anymore. They can't nickel-and-dime you anymore. Your credit is fine. You have to think like a credit card company. Banks are the same way. If you overdraw on your account by accident, they don't care. They don't want to hear excuses.  If you deal with a credit union, they're your friends. They understand that things happen unexpectedly. I usually tell them right away that I'm sorry but I'll get it taken care of right away and they usually remove the fee...credit card companies and banks are crooks to me.

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I am starting to think that having all these credit reporting acgencies out there is a scam. None of the numbers match. I think they use scare tactics to get consumers to go into more debt. I am being ****ed for being fiscally conservative. I have no debt and have plenty of savings and a poor credit score. I can't any credit because I don't have any credit. I refuse to pay high credit cards fees for a better credit score. I was forced to take a small secured loan at my local creit union to help raise it.

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It is a scam.  Welcome to reality.

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I can appreciate this is a free service, and I'll be the first to say I have used this service faithfully for the last 3 years or so.  I think its great we can access it without fear of gimmicky membership trials offered by the 3 bureaus.  

I would be remiss if I didn't express my disappointment in the shift to Vantage scores.  I can also get my free scores using a combination of different credit card accounts that I have, and they all offer my free FICO score.  What used to be great about Credit Karma was that I could view by Transunion FICO score for free. Now I can see my TU and Equifax score for free, but because its a Vantage score, I only visit this site to see if something changes, but not for any other information.  What used to be an every day almanac of my credit information has become a weather vane I glance at every once in a while.  Basically I use it as a queue to go check other sites to find out what my FICO score is.

Thanks to the builders of this site for providing a free service like this, but please consider switching back to FICO.  Its a more meaningful score to consumers.  No one I talk to uses my Vantage score when I apply for credit.  Thanks for listening.

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Hi sburns7650,

Thank you for your feedback.

Credit Karma has never provided a FICO score. We previously provided the TransUnion New Account score. 

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Bottom line.... FICO IS THE ONE AND ONLY SCORE USED BY ALL LENDERS across the USA when evaluating you for credit. Name one bank that uses Vantage???? please!! Name one!

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Hi Djrocc7,

This is simply not true. Many lenders use multiple score models, and many use their own proprietary models. Banks do not typically publicize the score model they use to make a decision. Even if they use a FICO score, there are 50+ different FICO models to choose from. 

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Getting penalized for not having debt is a no,no! It's just not right that you HAVE to HAVE some kind of history of debt payment to get good rates. I so bad want to pay cash for everything (working on that) and not worry about all this doodoo! Someone needs to put a cattle prod to the credit agencies to do an accurate job at reporting. And a faster job on taking off things that are paid off and don't need to be on record. They're sure quick to add the negative to your list. How about we all barter---------?

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In order to get credit, you would have to show you can pay on/ off a loan or credit card. It's that simple. If you have no debt, how are agencies/creditors supposed to know if you can handle paying on a loan? Just my opinion.

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You are right It's NOT fair.  And although it may not be good for consumers, that mode IS good for the credit card companies and banks who loan out the money.  If you look at the fine print on any credit card agreement, it basically says they can change anything they want at anytime.  If you don't like it, your option is to close the account and pay off the remaining balance. Which, by the way would make your credit rating go down for a while.

They want to to carry sustainable balances and to continue to pay them off over a very, very long time so they can make more money off of you.  But not TOO much debt relative to your credit limits. Otherwise, you might claim bankruptcy and they lose their money.  But don't worry.  Credit card companies and the banks that offer them  NEVER lose money overall on their credit card business.  Which is fine by me.  I just wish they weren't QUITE so predatory.

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 <quote>This is because whenever u take on new debt your score usually drops at first and then as you make steady payments on it u get positive credit for not only making on time payments but for lowering this new debt.</quote>

Why doesn't the government put a stop on this absolutely idiotic thing called credit score? People that have no debt and only one credit card, will always have a bad credit score. Absolute bs.

The banks, car dealers and whoever prefer customers that carry an addional financial burden already.

An entire economy based on debt. If you have no debt, then you are simply non existant for banks and credit rating agencies. No wonder the rest of the world is laughing about the US.

Why can't we switch to keeping track of negatvie entries such as late payment, default etc. instead of punishing people that pay on time, carry no balance?

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Other countries have credit bureaus and credit cards too. Creditworthiness is determined based on history as well.

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"No wonder the rest of the world is laughing about the US." 

Thanks to TranUnion, equifax, etc... And thanks to sites like credit karma inc...

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