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This happened to me. My credit has been the same for 1 year, no late pmts, only difference i paid off my all my credit cards, which are still open acccts. my credit score on credit karma in Feb was 664, after i paid off my cards it decreased to 644. I don't understand how paying off debt can decrease credit score. Like i said no lates, no inquireies all that stuff

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karenperry 3 years ago

 
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A simple answer: having 0% balance hurts your score. To get the highest score possible you need 1-10% balance on all your credit cards.

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VRoman0 1 year ago


 

I think you still need activity monthly just no balances

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rhapsodia 11 months ago


 

You need to have activity, not utilization.  Your score does not go down simply by paying off a debt.  The cards that you paid off, are you using them occassionally?  If not, take yourself out to dinner with one, a movie with another and maybe a clothing item with the third.  Then pay them off immediately.  You want to show that you are using credit responsibly, so there has to be some activity on both sides (payment and use).  A balance is NOT, I repeat NOT, necessary to have a positive impact on your score.  It does sound like you took the route of paying off all credit card debts but not using them at all.  In the long run, this is a good thing.  In terms of credit scores however, you still need to use the cards every now and then to show activity.    Hope this helps.

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scamps218 9 months ago


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It is important to understand that comparing scores from different providers is often difficult. Different lenders often use different bureaus or different credit scoring models. Also, timing is a very important factor since credit scores can change anytime.

When it comes to improving your score, there are several things to consider. First, your past derogatory accounts (collections, delinquencies, liens) are going to affect your credit score for some time to come. Each time a new derogatory is registered on your credit report; it could lower your score for years to come so avoid them moving forward.

Second, improving a credit scores involves being able to demonstrate responsible spending to other lenders. This means you should have accounts in good standing.

If you have some bad accounts (late payments or previous mistakes), one option would be to apply for a secured card here:
http://www.creditkarma.com/creditcards/secured_cards

These cards have guaranteed approval but they also have hefty fees. Secured credit cards will provide you a credit limit equal to your deposit. Most importantly, they report your credit account to the bureaus and help build your credit history, that is of course that you keep it in good standing. Once your credit score moves into the 650 range, try applying for non-secured card. Remember to use credit sparingly and don't spend beyond your means.

Third, improving your credit score will take time. It takes years to build a good credit score but only a few missed payments to destroy it. So make sure you have the right expectations and don't get discouraged. Check your score every month and see how it tracks over time. That is one of the feedback mechanisms that should keep you motivated. If you want to see how time will affect your score, try the credit simulator "https://www.creditkarma.com/simulator". It can take your specific credit report and forecast how time and good payment history will improve your score.

Good Luck!

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dina12 1 year ago

 
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I'm sorry, but I don't think that "Karenperry's" question was answered. I too, have not opened any accounts for four months, I was penalized for paying off my second mortgage, my credit card balance is less than last month, I've made a few more payments on my car loan and  two unsecured loans, and I haven't had an inquiry for four months.  But, my Transrisk score declined 9 points this month. Something is broken here. I've checked all of my credit reports to check for anything new that might be derogatory. There has been no knew derogatories since my bankruptcy was discharged about two years and eight months ago. And I've read several times on this web site that credit scores are based upon how one manages debt; not money. Wouldn't paying off a second motgage be a good sign of managing debt? But,  one gets penalized for doing so. This scoring system is broken and it does an injustice to the consumer. I don't mind accepting consequences for my negative behavior. But, I"m having a terrible time for how creditors have erroneously reported credt histories. And the credit bureaus have not been holding them accountable. I have unauthorized credit inquiries and it has done me little good to dispute them. I've disputed inaccurate information reported by creditors. But, unfortuantely, the burden of proof lies with the consumer. I have an account reported by Barclay Bank of Delaware on my report. I disputed it because it says discharged in bankruptcy and sold to another lender. I called them and they said that the account was sold. But, they continue to report it as discharged in bankruptcy . Please tell me how a bank can report an account discharged in bankruptcy when they tell me that they didn't own it at the time of my bankrutpcy. The bank refuses to change it and the credit bureaus will not ask them to verify that they owned the account at the time of the bankruptcy. Please tell me how a consumer is suppose to correct these problems. Back to the intial topic. Why does a credit score decrease when one has been paying off their debt and they have no new accounts, inquiries or derogatories? When it comes to obtaining credit, that score means more than the credit report.              

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JohnHoer 1 year ago


 
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I'll tell what is broke.  The FICO score is an indication that you have gone into debt, stayed in debt, and had a good payment history.  Paying off balances actually negatively impacts your score.  65% of your credit score is based on having debt the type of debt and the length of time you have been in debt. 

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jte1958 1 year ago


 

Dina, I do sympathize with your situation. Really, you must understand that have literally dropped the bomb on your credit history with a declared banckruptcy. You've just gone nuclear on all your credit reports for years to come. It hardly matters about the 5-10 point drop that normally accompanies a single hard pull inquiry. Your banckruptcy just whacked your scores over 150 points or more, didn't it?  I wouldn't sweat the hard pull, too much, if I were you. That clears itself off in a single year. It stays on your record for 24 months. But it couns against your score only for 12 months. You may even see half of it recouped in 6 to 7 months. But that bankruptcy does serious damage to your scores for 7 to 10 years. Although it wouldn't surprise me if you started getting a ton of credit card offers--some at ridiculously high interest rates and with heavy fees. Whatever you do from here on out, first do no additional harm to your credit rating. Start paying off those bills and don't repeat any past mistakes. As the years pass you'll be back on top. But be patient. It can be a years long process to fully recover from bankruptcy and any slip ups on your part will only delay your recovery. Good luck to you, now.  

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cato 1 year ago


yea me too. I paid off EVERYTHING for about 3months after opening a credit card account and when I checked my score here, it actually lowered my score.

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ahnjs629 1 year ago

 

me too, whats up with that?

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chaz7surf 1 year ago


 

I think that the rules have been changed in the middle of the game.

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JohnHoer 1 year ago


 

Well since I've been paying off some debt and collection amounts since August of this year, I went from a 628 to now a 546!!! Might have well not paid up at all.  Its very discouraging... still waiting for a point increase.. :(

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dreamunderstars 6 months ago


I am not sure this will answer your question but I hope this helps.  I recommend that you yearly obtain your free credit report from all of the three major reporting agencies.  I have had a few situations come up on this report that were not shown on others.  This happens in my opinion because you may only get reports back from one of these threeTransUnion or Experian or Equifax.   In the case of bankruptcy accounts that are reported discharged to bankruptcy can stay on your report as I have been told for up to seven years.  They may have been sold to another agency so the lendor can possiby recover monies owed but they will still and can list on your report as being discharged.  This does not mean the account is still open but it indicates on inquiry that at one time or another you had an account with them and it was discharged.  Pay close attention to the dollar amounts on your credit report.  If it was sold or discharged it should show a $0 balance. Federal Trade Commission provides a yearly free annual credit report.  You can accesss this yearly and check your information for all 3 reporting agencies.  I will tell you that if you have filed for bankruptcy this was the same way your lawyer obtained informaiton about the accounts you have opened and if you are wanting to file and have talked to an attorney they will more than likely ask you to get this after you hire them.  Be careful however, if you are using an attorney that lets you pay a reduced fee if you do some of the work I will also inform you that YOU WILL NEED THIS FOR YOUR BANKRUPTCY and it has to be current.  If you get this report now and need it in August or September you will have to pay for a new report in order for it to be current. http://www.ftc.gov/freereports Credit Scores are affected by a wide variety of things you do.  I have had my score go down due to a few things.  In October I had paid off three credit cards, re-charged $100 on one card the next month and closed the high interest account in Nov.  This caused my score to fall by almost 50 points.  From what I was told it was due to the closeure of the high interest card.  If you visit the credit stimulator section of this stie you will see that if you mark the box reflecting you will close a card your score goes up.  Mainly due to companies seeing that you don't have the availabe credit. In one case I obtained my free annual credit report saw that my ex husband's pick up was listed on my credit.  Of course the truck was in our names when we were married in 1999 but see this on my report in 2004 and being divorced in 2002 I wanted it off.  I did not want the banks to think I owed for this vehicle.  I fought and fought to get this off and when I did my score fell 10.  Reason being, the dollar amount owed was at $0 dollars on my credit report, he still owed and refinanced the truck in his name which did not show on my report.  The account was in good standing and being I fought it to have it removed, lenders could no longer see this.  They had no idea it was a good account, with on time payments and no money owed.  That hurt my score so I recommend if you have $0 account that was on time and it is not negative to your report....leave it be. I am not certain if you have a good account standing and include them in bankruptcy now showing a $0 balance if you should try and remove this.  I would call and ask your bankruptcy attorney they can answer this for you and would tell you the best thing to do.  I know that you don't want the bankruptcy listing on your report but it is going to affect you so if the account is in good standing, with on time payments and a $0 balance but states discharged to bankruptcy I would rather explain that yes, I was on time, yes it was in good standing but I could no longer afford and included on bankruptcy rather than fighting consuming time and energy all the while it is still reflected in your overall score, and if it is not hurting focus on fixing your score overall than fighting to remove a few words that may hurt you in the long run.  I would think??  If I am wrong please fill me in as I am working my bottom off trying to fix all I can with my overall score. Happy New Year!

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cdh1253 1 year ago

Will unemployment overpayments show up on your credit report

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goback 1 year ago

 

Good question for the general room.  It does go on your credit report as would a utility bill that is ignored ect. 

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scamps218 9 months ago


I too have had the same experience with my credit score. I have paid down all four of my revolving accounts and  three installment loans almost paid off no late payments no inquirries no new accounts no missed payments no collections etc.. Basically nothing negative.. But still my credit score drops I check my credit reports from all three bureaus every month nothing appears wrong but I dont understand how paying down or paying off debt causes my credit score to fall. It seems to not make any sense how is it possoble for one to have a credit score in the high 700 with this kind of scoring system?

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