Credit Advice

Have a question? Have advice to share? The combined knowledge and experience of everyone in the Credit Karma community can help you. Enter your question or help others below to get started!

Question

Question

Share this question with others:
Profile Image
Issues with Credit Simulator
Good question? +43 Vote for this

Can someone please tell me why when I go in and simulate 24 months on time payments my credit score goes down. I was under the impression that on time payments should bring your score up not down. I discovered this issue back around the first of August. The issue was acknowledge, but I have not heard back from any one since. Is this issue still being address or is it just being ignored and Credit Karma is hoping that I would just go away?

Asked by gzbsds 1 year ago Flag this question Flag this Question

Response

65 responses

There may be some other factors at work with your score that are not obvious.  For me, my score doesn't move up with anything positive in the simulator (but I can simulate it dropping like a rock). There are many factors that go into your credit score, and this site highlights the major ones, but is not able to reveal every little nuance with the scoring system.  There are several articles on this site which talk about this.  There are some articles in the blogs area here which may help your understanding, or may only serve to invite even more questions.  :-)

Reply

phnxangell 1 year ago

 
+1

I do not think that it is not working properly, as my credit score does not move aswell! Yes, if after 24 months you pay on time I would expect your credit score to go up! Let me remind you all that the credit scores were not made to help out the public, but to help banks and they were made by banks! Why should they care if we do not have a perfect score, or what credit scoring they choose to use on each of use. I am sure that they will use what ever score, weather it be a FICO score a mid score or a specific credit scoring company they use (Example: TransUnion, Experian, Equifax) it will be in their favor, not ours! They are in the business of making money!!!... All they care is if YOU will add to their bottom line!... You are just a number to them and they do not care about the person! A good example of this, is look what happens if you lose your job! You need support not harrasmnet and do not need  more stress of the added headaches, they would add to your life! That is if you did lose your job! I would hope that they might allow you a extended time to help you out, to pay your debt! They need to work with you and not against you! For if your debt was a mortgage payment, it would be in their best interest to work with you, then have yet another house on their books and put yet another family out on the street to be homeless!... I always thought that we as Americans would not be discriminated against, but I see Credit Scores as Discrimination! Things happen to people, but that does not mean that people are always like the painted pictures credit scores paint them to be! Heaven forbid we have major catastophy through out the USA as people try to predict doomsday! What would a creit score matter then?

Reply

1MeMyselfandI 2 months ago


+5

True there are other factors at work,  but an on-time credit history should always be considered positive and make your score go up ... never down.   I have the same issue with the score going down when the only thing I try to simulate is an on-time credit history.

Reply

jtaber79 1 year ago

+5

I think the simulator is broken. It is a 'SIMULATOR' and therefore should only be looking at your current number and the changes you 'simulate.' It seems to only be able to lower your number or keep it the same.  I tried to 'simulate' everytning positive and the number did not change. adding anything negative lowered it.

Reply

2picky2 11 months ago

+4

The simulator works fine.  But it's based on fixed percentages that may or may not be accurate.  It also considers current position with these factors to determine if any impact will be made.
For example, if your utilization is 15%, doing the "Pay off all credit cards" won't do anything, because in CK's factors, anything less than 20% for utilization is as good as it gets.
I would like to see them add other random things - zero inquiries, close newest credit card, remove public record, remove all derogatory items, etc.

Reply

revelated 11 months ago

 
+8

No, the simulator does not work fine. It says making on time payments will reduce your score and I have proof this is nonsense. For the past ten months the simulator has consistently predicted making on time payments will lower my score. I have continued to pay on time but my score has never dropped. The simulator has been wrong for 10 months in a row. It seems to work pretty well otherwise, but if you simulate on time payments it works backwards.

Reply

wazungu4 11 months ago


 
+5

No, the simulator doesn't work at all.  I simulated lowering my credit utilization (raised my credit limit to 100,000), added 24 months of on time payments, and had nothing at all negative and no matter what positive factors I put in, it raised my score 1 point every single time.  And its not like my score is 849.  My credit score has plenty of room to go up and it doesn't soooo...the simulator is not working.

Reply

bluecamel20 11 months ago


 
+3

I just put in a 24 month pay history and my score went down 15 points so I would say this simulator is definitely on the fritz!

Reply

blj7150 10 months ago


 
+1

I have seen the simulator work in some instances as well.  However, I too would like it to be upgraded if possible to include what happens if you open a secured credit card with no inquiry, if you get a negative item removed, if you foreclose and/or get a discharge in bankruptcy which decrease your debt (maybe a catchall debt crecrease button might help w/these), I also need to know how becoming a authorized user simulates.  These would be a good start. Thanks.

Reply

kamboss 8 months ago


 
+1

You are right. Equifax has the same simulator and their system will increase your score as it should with ontime payments. Another problem I've had with Credit Karma's simulator is that my score has gone down each of the last three months and have made no late payments or opened any new accounts. With Equifax it has gone up like it should. The Equifax product costs a few bucks but is well worth it. Obviously the Karma product has bad code in it's program.

Reply

ronscore 8 months ago


it just told me i would take an 8 point loss for a new card instead it went up 23 points. no other changes. 

Reply

nbirnbaum2 11 months ago

 

If you have a low number of credit cards and other loans.  Opening up a new credit card could be more positive than negative.  It will give you a lower average age to your credit but that is one factor.  The other is number of credit carda and loans.  With a low number of loans this would be good but with a high number of loans and credit cards this could be bad.  It also depends on the Credit Card when you get a card from a company that is hard to recieve a card from then it also has a more positive reaction.  Some of the things take 2-3 months to show up and you may have had positve things from past months showing up. 

Reply

halfelena 4 months ago


+4

Same issue with me. The biggest drag on my credit is the short age of my oldest account. Somehow, the simulator told me that 24 additional months of on time history, no other changes, would cause a 30 point drop. I have to assume it's broken.

Reply

cbishop 11 months ago

 
+1

I have this same situation with short age of accounts, and got this same result when I simulated 24 months of on-time history - A THIRTY POINT DROP.  Not exactly inspiring or encouraging.

Reply

MR12707 11 months ago


 

I have found that the simulator seems to work on the first simiulation but not on any you make after that each time you visit the sight asuming you regularry delete cookies and stuff but once you have made more simulation it gets goofed up. 

Reply

halfelena 4 months ago


+4

Don't even bother with the simulator. It doesn't work- and hasn't worked for months and months. There are countless postings on this very subject, but nothing ever gets done about it. Sours me on the rest of this entire website.

Reply

kristinmunk 11 months ago

It may not be the simular that is broken but actually the credit system!  Yes on time payments improve score but you may have to be on time for much longer or show percentage drop in total credit utilization. Even without the simulator I have had problems adjusting my scorewith real actions in real reports.  

Reply

holyrose 10 months ago

+2

 They score us and the government can't even pay their own bills!

Reply

Kimchoculas 10 months ago

 

I have to agree with that one holy rose

Reply

Wkmouzon 8 months ago


 

The goverment doesn't score us.  This is done by the private sector.

Reply

halfelena 4 months ago


 

I agree totaly!!!  The people on this web site are probably all average americans that are trying to save what they have worked so hard for and can't even get help with their credit scores.  The simulator doesn't work so how are we supposed to know how to improve our scores?!!!  Either the average american person makes to much or not enough to qualify for help, THIS IS REALLY SAD!!!!!!!  We can't even get free information!!!!!!!  The average american people should be considered POOR NOT AVERAGE!!!!!!  And we are supposed to be the people that make this country?????

Reply

daiseymae7 3 months ago


+1

My on-time payments score is and has been 100%, yet simulating 24 months of ontime payments, according to the simulator, should increase my score by 16 points. But for the past 24 months (and longer than that) I have been paying on-time. So my score should not have increased as I cannot improve on my timeliness of the payments any more. :-)  

Reply

mrbofh 10 months ago

 
+1

The credit simulator is a joke.  According to the simulator, after three whole months of ontime payments, my score will rocket up 90 points.  Nevermined I have 80 + months of ontime payments right now.

Reply

boulin99 10 months ago


 
+1

Same issue here. I have a flawless on-time record going back to prehistoric ages. :-) When I simulate 24 months of ontime payments, it says my credit score will go up 28 points. Well ... I've been paying ontime for a lot more than 24 months and I'm not seeing it. I've seen the simulator give other "at odds with reality" results over the years, as well. The simulator is a good concept, but as a workable tool, it's pretty bad. Credit Karma does many helpful things, but it's a wonder that they haven't improved the simulator long ago.

Reply

Clairissa 7 months ago


Reply To This Question


Submit Your Response
Receive Response Email Alerts

We'll alert you when a response or reply is posted to this question.

The Credit Advice pages of the Site may contain messages submitted by users over whom Credit Karma has no control. Credit Karma cannot guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of any such messages. Some users may post messages that are misleading, untrue or offensive. You must bear all risk associated with your use of the Credit Advice pages and should not rely on messages in making (or refraining from making) any specific financial or other decisions.

Let the community lend a hand!


100 Characters Remaining

Credit Card Offers Just For You

These are the most popular credit card offers from Credit Karma members with credit similar to yours.

Credit One Bank® Visa Platinum Card

Credit One Bank® Visa Platinum Card
Apply Now
  • Pre-Qualify for a Visa credit card without affecting your credit score
  • Get a starting credit line up to $1,500
  • No enrollment fee

Capital One® Secured Mastercard®

Capital One® Secured Mastercard®
Apply Now
  • Get the credit you need with no processing fees or application fees
  • Automatic reporting to the 3 major credit bureaus
  • Track credit with access to your credit score and other tools
See More Credit Cards...
Welcome to Credit Karma! Like our service? Share the karma and recommend us on Facebook.