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Understanding Credit Scores

by Staff Writer, Credit Karma

December 03, 2008 | 94 comments

As the economy continues down its volatile path, keeping a watchful eye on your credit score is more important than ever. But simply watching your credit score isn't enough. You have to understand how credit scores work and how using your credit can affect them. This is easier said than done.

Understanding how credit scores work is complicated. When you apply for credit, increase a credit line or make a late payment—all these things can affect your score. And to make it even more complicated, these actions have different effects on lower credit scores than they do on higher ones.

To better illustrate the point, let's look at some actual credit scores* and see how "credit events" affect each differently. For obvious reasons of privacy, let's just call them "Jane and John Doe." Jane has always been great with her money and how she uses credit. Her score is 793. John, on the other hand, has had some trouble in the past with how he deals with money. His score is only 576.

Getting a New Credit Card — Jane 793 to 791, -2 points. John 576 to 557, -19 points.
Let's start by looking at what happens to the Does' credit when they add a new card with a $15,000 limit to what they already have. In Jane's case, she already has several credit cards and adding a new one barely changes her score, but not so for poor John. If John could even qualify for a new card, it will cost him19 points against his credit.

Increase Credit Limit of Credit Cards by $10,000 —Jane 793 no change. John 576 to 612, +36 points.
Jane already has several credit card accounts, so increasing her credit limit by $10,000 doesn't change her score because her credit card utilization is already 0%. As for John, the extra $10,000 in credit line lowers his credit card utilization significantly and therefore boosts his score by 36 points!

Closing Oldest Account — Jane 793 no change. John 576 to 558, -18 points.
Established credit accounts are great for showing credit history and adding numbers to your score. For Jane, who has a long line of established credit, closing an old account has little or no effect. But for John the results are damaging. Closing his oldest account costs him 18 points because he loses any good credit attached to it. And it doesn't work both ways. If you close an account with a mediocre history... that history stays with your credit score.

Paying Off All Credit Card Debt — Jane 793 no change. John 576 to 615, +39 points.
Jane always, always pays off her credit card debt and carries no balance on her cards. This doesn't change a thing for her. But for John, it's a big benefit. Paying off all of his credit card debt raises his score by 39 big points and goes a long way to establishing good credit.

Increase Credit Card Debt by $10,000 — Jane 793 to 769, -24. John 576 to 556, -20 points.
This is where Jane's good habits actually hurt her score more than John's. By increasing her credit card debt by $10,000, her score drops more than John's because she had no debt prior to the $10,000, whereas John has some preexisting debt.

Allow 1 Monthly Account To Become 30 Day Past Due — Jane 793 to 759, -34. John 576 to 558, -18 points.
Poor Jane, she's had a bad month or two and misses her first monthly payment. For John, this is old school. This will hurt Jane more than John because a 30-day delinquency for someone with no prior problems is an early warning of default risk and changes her score by -34 points, almost double the points that John will lose.

Have On-Time Credit History for 24 Months — Jane 793 no change. John 576 to 595, +19 points.
This is John's moment to shine. By paying his bills on time for 24 months he can increase his credit score by 19 points. Paying bills on time for 24 months does not affect Jane's score because she has paid her bills on time for over 10 years, establishing a great credit rating.

Credit and credit scores have always been cryptic and difficult for consumers to understand. Whether you're like Jane or John Doe, it's important to get control of your credit, especially in these days of economic uncertainty. Hopefully by demystifying the information, you can see how using credit wisely can go a long way toward building your financial health.

The credit score changes in this article are based on Credit Karma's personalized credit simulator.

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timpage3
Sep 21
7:46 pm

I just payed off my mortgage and now have only $10,000 of car loan debt. I have never been late on a payment in my life and have had a long credit history, but my score is only 769. How can this be? I thought it should be higher than that.

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Your score is very good. Remember that there are more than 200 attributes that go into a credit score. In addition to your on-time payments and long history, you also need to have experience in a variety of credit products. Do you have a few credit cards? Do you have high credit limits on them? These are all factors.

odietoady
Sep 17
7:15 am

Help, please. Right now our budget is pretty tight because I went crazy with our credit last year. At the time our income was larger, so I thought "i"m OK". Our income dropped in Jan 2009 but will increase by $2,500 to $3,000 per month in the spring of 2010. With the help of a debt calculator I have worked out a debt repayment schedule to pay off the current $45,300 we owe by May 2011. That will be everything except our mortgage. I would love to close all of our credit cards, except one, as I pay them off. Everything I read says NOT to close out cards as you pay them off. Both our credit scores are fair at this time because of the debt to income ratio. We pay all our bills on time. I really want to close those credit cards mostly so I won't be enticed to use them but I don't want to lower our credit scores. Also, when our income increases, shouldn't that raise our credit scores? I did the simulator,paying off $20,000, and the score only went up 18 points. What should I do?

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Your income does not affect your credit score that is a common myth. General advice is try not to close your cards as it will lower your score. If you are tempted to spend, cut them up but keep them open. Secondly, make sure you keep up with your payments. Keeping on-time payments is probably the biggest contributor to a good credit score.

dalet
Sep 13
1:00 am

does checking this affect my credit rating

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No, it does not

kwyorkjr
Sep 9
6:11 pm

I recently had my credit cards lower my limits to just above what I owe on them. I haven't been late on them in years...if ever. Now, without me charging anything, I am maxxed out of all of my cards. This has got to affect my score, but does the fact that the cc companies lowered my credit limit have any effect?

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The lower CCU will hurt your score. There is no compensating factor because the issuer lowered your credit limit. To be mindful of your score, you should either pay down your existing debt or look for other credit alternatives to improve your CCU.

Aimiya
Sep 7
10:02 am

I have a question about the Total Accounts section. My credit score is at 680--not wonderful, but not terrible, I suppose. Now, it says I have 5 open accounts. I know that 4 are for student loans, and one is my credit card. Now, if I end up paying off those loans, does it count as a closed account, and would that bring my score down (the loans are also older than my credit card by several years), or would it count more towards alleviating my debt and help?

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Old closed loans don't count against you but they also don't help since they aren't active. Paying down debt helps but having a long active history with on-time payments is the best way to have a good credit score.

MSJ7
Sep 5
11:03 pm

Thanks for the response on my question on closing unused credit card accounts. It provided great insight. I have a followup question now that I am beginning to understand.

My score is sub 800 with 19 accounts, 10 open and 9 closed. My oldest trade line is over 20 years and an average age of over 8 years and zero utilization (90k+).

I opened two credit cards this year and I did not like the terms and I do not intend to use them. Would closing them increase the average age and my credit score?

Thanks again for your help.

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With the age of your account history closing the new accounts won't make a difference. However, closing your old accounts could drop your score considerably

dshort0019
Sep 2
10:41 am

I would like to see an option in the simulator where if you reduced your total debt, such as selling a car and eliminating $14,500 from your debt, how that would affect your score

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We will see what we can do.

MSJ7
Aug 30
9:44 pm

Let me rephrase Chuckman's question about the number of accounts. With a sub 800 score and 19 accounts, 10 open and 9 closed, and a zero utilization on all except a car loan, would closing unused and not needed credit cards increase the credit score? Also would it increase the grade, currently "C" for number of accounts?

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The grade for number of accounts is independent of other metrics so it won't make a difference. Lastly, closing unused accounts often lower your credit score since it shortens the age of your credit history.

lovebug17
Aug 29
10:11 am

I HAVE A QUESTION IVE BEEN TOLD THAT AFTER 7 YRS YOU CAN REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR CREDIT REPORT IS IT TRUE?

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Not true. After 7 years, old items often stop affecting your credit score.

tawster
Aug 28
10:56 pm

Great tool. My goal: credit rating of 0. IMHO the best score. A pain to do some simple things (get a cell phone contract), but ultimately means, assuming you have an established income history and assets to prove your metal... that you are smart financially. I have a ways to go, but once the houses are paid off... off to zero I go!

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moonfire
Oct 11
1:27 am

Its mettle not metal.



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